{"id":140,"date":"2009-03-17T17:36:39","date_gmt":"2009-03-17T21:36:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/?p=140"},"modified":"2009-03-17T17:36:59","modified_gmt":"2009-03-17T21:36:59","slug":"on-bailouts-and-more-bad-laws","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/2009\/03\/17\/on-bailouts-and-more-bad-laws\/","title":{"rendered":"On Bailouts and More Bad Laws"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">&#8220;There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law&#8221; &#8211; Abraham Lincoln<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Congress is pissed about the AIG bonuses (March 17, 2009), so am I. You should be pissed too, but let us be clear:<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>The law of unintended consequences states clearly; (paraphrasing) if you use a simple solution to fix a complex problem, you will end up with outcome you clearly didn&#8217;t foresee. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">As we\u2019ve learned over and over again, anything Congress agrees to immediately is a BAD idea. Legislation that is decided in about a week is written too broadly and loaded with Anti- Constitutional bias, because, really, the constitution is there to help us stop our head long rush to bias. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Examples of Quick bad laws with unforeseen consequences: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul style=\"margin-top: 0in;\" type=\"disc\">\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">USA Patriot Act (eventually led to the Iraq war justification and wire tapping and GITMO)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The TARP act &#8211; Seriously, how much money did we give them (800 Billion) and still had to do it again?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">And now a potential Tax on AIG bonus specifically?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>Seems ripe with equal protection bias.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<!--more--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The problem is, the Tax ability of Congress (per the XVI Amendment) is DAMN broad. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>On One hand, the argument to kick AIG executives in the teeth feels good, (98% to 100% tax on those people getting bonuses!) sounds <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">awesome<\/em>, but congress shouldn\u2019t do it. The old definition still works too: A simple system cannot effectively control or predict a complex system.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><em>Note: Now, I understand taxes (I don&#8217;t like paying them); I am not stupid. I know that taxes are necessary to run things.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>It would be a nasty and silly idea to actually allow a government (especially a capitalist government, that can print its own money) to actually go into full on business to generate funds. It has different rules, makes the laws, and will tend towards monopolistic ideals. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>However, I do agree that spinning off LLC&#8217;s and 501(c)(3) -not for profit) are good in my book. It also adds some independence to the process. Governments who was in charge of making money don&#8217;t like losing money, so things will be glossed over, money will be &#8220;switched.&#8221; etc, In general, the business cycle isn&#8217;t a nice place for a bureaucracy. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Yet taxing something at 100 or 98%? For only a few people? Oh that&#8217;s just ripe for court challenge. Tacked on laws \u2013because you\u2019re pissed- are bad policy. If the tax was previously there as a condition of taking the money \u2013BEFORE HAND-, well that&#8217;s one thing, that supersedes contract, as you\u2019d be entering into a new contract with full knowledge of what you are doing. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>In that way, it\u2019s akin to filing Bankruptcy, the genuine contract thumper. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">Legal Arguments against the AIG bonus Tax: Fall flat, except on purely \u201cyou shouldn\u2019t do it\u201d terms. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">On the <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Equal Protection<\/em> side of the fence, you can say, Congress can tax Cigarettes, Alcohol, Gas, Clothing, etc, because I can chose not to buy that thing.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>And it applies to any one who buys those things, so they can&#8217;t (or shouldn&#8217;t) tax me for things imposed upon me, or given to me, (like a bonus). Because the tax is so narrow, and Imposed upon me, it should clearly violate equal protection. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Except there is the gift tax (an imposed tax).<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>The gift tax Congress treats like \u201cincome.&#8221; for the person getting it.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><em>*While we are on the subject: This \u201cincome\u201d is general already taxed money. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>A good tax would be on &#8220;Winnings and landfalls.&#8221; like Vega or lotto but the inheritance tax is silly. Inheritance is a transfer of wealth, so Congress is basically taxing \u201cmy\u201d death. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>They are basically saying \u201cWe know you possibly couldn\u2019t have paid all the taxes you had, so we\u2019re going to hit you again just to make sure.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">Perhaps the law would be construed as TOO narrow, but\u2026. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">As for the second option, snapping the contracts?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>Government can&#8217;t break the contracts for giving out bonuses with a law that would cause a ripple effect like none other. If a person can&#8217;t believe in their contract, then the ink might as well be invisible. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">One real option is to force AIG to give the money back <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Now<\/em> and then when they do fail, to send it thru tried and tested laws, on Bankruptcy filings. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">Laws should work for the populous, not be used to bludgeon something that really pisses congress off. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>And yes, the populous is pissed, but Mob rule is not to be acknowledged, it is a rather nasty thing. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Think about the consequence of passing something immediately.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>Who\u2019s ever going to accept money? Who\u2019s ever going to want to be a CEO? <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>How about a anytime people get pissed the CEO has his money taken away? You know a consequences of that? He no longer looks out for Shareholder Value, he looks out for his own value, and making sure his kids don\u2019t starve.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 Why take risks if you will be blamed for it in the future, why innovate you could be wrong.\u00a0 Punishment is a deterent, but p<\/span>lease, never discount <em>\u2013personal-<\/em> need or greed. People will let a company fail if it means them get to get their money for X dollars in the end. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;\">The point:<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>I say congress should look at the laws they have already on the books. Don\u2019t make more bad law.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>The Tax and financial codes are thick with rules. Use them or realize they truly do suck and then make better rules. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 &#8220;There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law&#8221; &#8211; Abraham Lincoln \u00a0 \u00a0 Congress is pissed about the AIG bonuses (March 17, 2009), so am I. You should be pissed too, but let us be clear:\u00a0 The law of unintended consequences states clearly; (paraphrasing) if you use a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,8],"tags":[403,402,90,385,400],"class_list":["post-140","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blubs-of-verbs","category-life-lessons","tag-aig","tag-bad-law","tag-congress","tag-greed","tag-unintended-consequences"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/140","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=140"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/140\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=140"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=140"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/thestormypresent.com\/ocean\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=140"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}